What most Latter-day Saints
have been taught in church and believe as truth.
Significant details &
problems that most Latter-day Saints may not be aware of.
The Book of Mormon is not
supported by any archeological evidence.
The Book of Mormon is not
supported by any linguistic evidence.
Hill Cumorah has no evidence
of battles as stated in BOM.
DNA disproves that Indians are
the principle ancestors of Lamanites.
The population problems of the
BOM.
BOM
most correct book on Earth?
Why don’t dark-skinned people
turn lighter after reading it as claimed by the prophets?
BOM
lacks real ‘Mormon’ doctrine.
*For the following
Sections, please see: http://www.mormonthink.com/josephweb.htm
B.H. Roberts doubts about the
BOM.
Other potential sources for
the BOM.
Could Joseph have come up with
the BOM on his own?
Has anyone else with limited
education written a book such as the BOM?
Responses to these
issues by faithful Latter-day Saints.
What most
Latter-day Saints have been taught in church and believe as truth.
The Book of Mormon is a true record of the inhabitants of
the
Some people believe that there is some archeological evidence supporting the BOM, many know there is little or no evidence and continue to believe in the book’s authenticity despite these challenges. Members are encouraged to focus on the spiritual value of the BOM instead of the historical aspects. In fact, on July 29, 1978, the Deseret News published an article in the Church News section (P. 16) that actively discouraged members from studying the historicity of the Book of Mormon because such efforts would prove “fruitless”, that differing theories regarding Book of Mormon geography would “undermine faith” and that any theories put forth by scholars were nothing more than “personal speculations”.
The Book of Mormon may have undergone some minor changes but these consist primarily of spelling or grammatical alterations and don’t affect the overall meaning of the text.
Links recording
official church version:
Book of Mormon title
page: “Wherefore, it is an abridgment of the
record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites—Written to the
Lamanites, who are a remnant of the
house of
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bm/ttlpg
Book of Mormon
introduction: “It is a record of God’s dealings
with the ancient inhabitants of the
The record gives an account of two great civilizations.
One came from
Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bm/introduction
The
Book of Mormon: A Sacred Ancient Record
Mounting
Evidence for the Book of Mormon
The
Historicity of the Book of Mormon by Dallin H. Oaks
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/cumorah.htm
Significant details
& problems that most Latter-day Saints are not aware of.
The Book of
Mormon discusses many things that did not exist anywhere in the
Mormons are repeatedly encouraged to rely on a witness of the spirit (i.e. Holy Ghost) to personally authenticate the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. Given this repeated encouragement from general and local leaders of reliance on supernatural manifestations over testable claims, it is not surprising that many faithful Latter-Day Saints (including many of us that contributed to this website) were or continue to be seemingly unfazed by the many criticisms directed at the Book of Mormon by Mormon and non-Mormon archaeologists and historians.
Unfortunately many faithful LDS members, by virtue of the admonition of their leaders (mentioned above), are virtually unaware of the many perplexing and genuine problems contained in the Book of Mormon text and as a result, are usually unable to effectively dialogue with critics without resorting to faith-based claims in supernatural manifestations (i.e. testimony) which really carry no authoritative weight for the many dedicated experts in the fields of archaeology, history, linguistics, genetics, etc.
In summary; below is a near comprehensive list (from http://www.lds-mormon.com/bomquest.shtml) of the contradictory and often anachronistic items that are apparent in the Book of Mormon text:
(Cultural artifacts or circumstances mentioned in the Book of Mormon that have not been discovered or verified in any ancient American archaeological expedition or historical investigation in the last 200 years.)
http://www.lds-mormon.com/bomquest.shtml#BOM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon
http://www.irr.org/mit/bomarch1.html
http://www.2think.org/digq.htm (Quetzalcoatl research by LDS member Brant Gardner)
http://internet.ocii.com/~cmeek/BoM_Geog01.htm (Example of generic hypothetical map)
http://www.bookofmormonlands.com/link%20twenty.htm (Example of Upstate New York hypothetical map)
http://www.bookofmormonbattles.com/Map.htm (Example of Central/South American hypothetical map)
The Book of Mormon is not supported by any archeological evidence.
Despite some
LDS member’s claims, there appears to be no existing archeological evidence
which directly supports the Book of Mormon.
There are scholars within the church that will point to a few scattered
indirect parallels within existing
During the early 1980s, reports circulated in LDS culture that the Book of Mormon was being used by the Smithsonian to guide primary archaeological research. This rumor was brought to the attention of Smithsonian directors who, in 1996, sent a form letter to inquiring parties stating that the Smithsonian did not use the Book of Mormon to guide any research, and included a list of specific reasons Smithsonian archaeologists considered the Book of Mormon historically unlikely.
An example of the problems facing the Book of Mormon from an archaeological standpoint is found in 2 Nephi 5:16 where Nephi writes that his people constructed a temple “like unto the temple of Solomon; and the workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine.” Where is this temple? There are ruins from a myriad of other non-Book of Mormon peoples that have survived for thousands of years. The Book of Mormon never records the destruction of this temple and therefore it should be fairly easy to locate a temple “like unto the temple of Solomon” which, according to the biblical narrative, took many years and many thousands of workmen to build (though Nephi’s original colonizing party could not have numbered more than 30-40 in totality at the time he records the construction of the temple)
In a broader context, where are the cities that archeologically, geographically and historically correspond with the Book of Mormon text? To date, there have been none discovered. There are a plethora of speculative theories (see references in the previous section for sample maps) from LDS scholars and lay members but there has yet to be a genuine verifiable discovery of a city or group of cities that match the characteristics and time period given in the Book of Mormon.
In fact, Apostle Dallin H. Oaks has actively discouraged members from speculating on the location of Book of Mormon Lands or artifacts and instead favors the standard missionary approach for determining the book’s veracity. In an interview with Steve Benson (grandson of the late Mormon prophet Ezra Taft Benson), Oaks affirmed this approach in an attempt to assuage both Steve’s and his wife Mary Ann’s concerns regarding Book of Mormon historicity.
Here are a few excerpts from that discussion as recorded by Steve Benson [emphasis added]:
…Mary Ann began by explaining to [Dallin] Oaks and [Neil] Maxwell that she was sincerely trying to do what the Church had admonished its members to do: namely, study the scriptures. She informed them that the more she examined Mormonism's scriptural texts, the more she found contradictions between The Book of Mormon and The Doctrine and Covenants. Mary Ann informed the two apostles that she was having a difficult time reconciling those contradictions. Therefore, she said, she decided to undertake her own personal study of The Book of Mormon--but from another point of view.
She took out a well-used, paperback copy of The Book of Mormon and showed Oaks and Maxwell what she had done with it. Opening the book and thumbing through its pages, she demonstrated to them how she, in Seminary scripture study cross-referencing style, had color-coded the text…
Oaks told Mary Ann, "Well, you know, as you've thumbed through your book, it only appears to me that 5% of your book has been marked, so I would say don't throw out the 95% because of the 5%... He continued, "It's like being married to our wives. I'm sure there's more than 5% of me that my wife finds disagreement with, but she puts up with it anyway. It's kind of like being married to The Book of Mormon. Don't let your doubts keep you out of the mainstream."
…Oaks offered me some counsel of his own. "You ought to go through The Book of Mormon," he said, "and color in all the differences and emphasize the unique and special teachings of The Book of Mormon that don't have any similarities to other sources." (However, Mary Ann's point for being at the meeting in the first place, as she herself said, was not to talk about or debate differences between The Book of Mormon and Spalding texts; rather, she wanted to get answers regarding their similarities in areas of story lines, exact wording, etc)…
Maxwell also defended The Book of Mormon as a divinely-translated, authentic ancient document based, he claimed, on the speed and method of its translation…
After Oaks and Maxwell presented their respective defenses, Mary Ann again asked them how she should deal with the things she had found in her own Book of Mormon. At this point, Oaks and Maxwell said that the jury was still out. Maxwell asserted that the Lord will leave The Book of Mormon to the very last, before providing definitive proof of its truthfulness. In the meantime, he said, "we will have opposition in this externally." [Emphasis added]
Maxwell again insisted that external authentication of The Book of Mormon would be left "until the last," but that the Lord will no longer let critics of the Church "slam-dunk" The Book of Mormon.
Be that as it may, Oaks acknowledged that F.A.R.M.S. sometimes gets "hyperactive" in trying to prove that The Book of Mormon is true. He said he becomes concerned when F.A.R.M.S. "stops making shields and starts turning out swords," because, he said, "you cannot prove The Book of Mormon out of the realm of faith." Accepting The Book of Mormon, Oaks said, was ultimately a matter of faith. [Emphasis added]
Nonetheless, Maxwell interjected to say, "We're grateful for F.A.R.M.S., though, because they protect us on the flank." Maxwell told us that F.A.R.M.S., in fact, had been given the express mission of not letting the Church become outflanked…
Oaks and Maxwell, in their final assessment of evidentiary proof concerning The Book of Mormon, admitted to us that the arguments for and against the book were "equal," with neither side being able to prove whether The Book of Mormon was true or untrue. In the ultimate analysis, they told us, The Book of Mormon had to be accepted on faith.
I responded by telling them that I was attempting to examine both sides of the question and was not convinced that the pro-Book of Mormon side had the advantage. To the contrary, I told them that I was inclined to believe the advantage lay with the book's critics. I said that because I did not regard the evidence on The Book of Mormon to be equally balanced, I therefore did not believe I was obligated to accept it on faith. I also expressed the view that if, in fact, there was an evidentiary advantage to one side or the other, that should then allow for the person doing the investigating to make a decision as to Book of Mormon veracity--outside the realm of faith.
Oaks responded by again saying there was no evidence proving or disproving The Book of Mormon. He placed his right hand over his heart and said, "I get this knot, this warm feeling right here, and that is what I go on." Oaks told us that he had a conviction that The Book of Mormon was "true." He said that feeling of truthfulness came from a "personal witness."
Oak’s position as recorded by Benson can be understood in greater context when we examine the account of Thomas Stuart Ferguson; President of the New World Archaeological Foundation, the only LDS Church-sponsored organization to ever be commissioned with the task of proving the authenticity of the Book of Mormon outside the subjective supernatural realm of faith-based testimony. His efforts and the efforts of his foundation ended in failure and the Church has since ceased to sponsor archaeological expeditions to verify its keystone document’s authenticity.
The following are excerpts from and article by Jerald and Sandra Tanner printed in the ‘Salt Lake City Messenger’ published by Utah Lighthouse Ministries:
Thomas Stuart Ferguson was born in
"
On page 251-52 of The Messiah in Ancient America, we read that "Tom Ferguson first approached the President of Brigham Young University, Howard S. McDonald, about establishing a Department of Archaeology.... Tom Ferguson was able to convince officials of BYU of the benefit to the University of having such a department....
"The new Department of
Archaeology (now Anthropology) sponsored its first field trip in 1948 to
western
Mr. Ferguson devoted a great deal
of his life trying to prove the Book of Mormon by archaeology and was
considered by the Mormon people as a great defender of the faith. He wrote at
least three books on the subject. His book, One Fold and One Shepherd, was
recommended to one of the authors of this work (Jerald) as containing the
ultimate case for the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. On the jacket of that
book, we find this information about
… From all that we can learn,
Thomas Stuart Ferguson was a dedicated believer in the authenticity of the Book
of Mormon at the time he founded the New World Archaeology Foundation. He
really believed that archaeology would prove the Book of Mormon. In a letter
dated April 23, 1952, Mr. Ferguson said the "the archaeological data now
available is entirely inadequate" for testing the Book of Mormon. He
predicted, however, that the "next ten years of excavations in
Although many important archaeological discoveries were made, the evidence he had desired to find to support the Book of Mormon did not turn up. In response to a letter Hal Hougey wrote in 1972 which reminded him that he had predicted in 1961 that Book of Mormon cities would be found within 10 years, Mr. Ferguson sadly wrote: "Ten years have passed... I sincerely anticipated that Book-of-Mormon cities would be positively identified within 10 years--and time has proved me wrong in my anticipation." (Letter dated June 5, 1972)
At first it had all seemed so
simple; since the Book of Mormon told when the Nephites were in
After Mr. Ferguson obtained
photographs of the papyrus fragments, he consulted Professors Lutz and Lesko of
the
Thomas Stuart Ferguson was shaken to the core by this discovery. When the church's noted apologist, Dr. Hugh Nibley, began defending the Book of Abraham, he wrote a letter to another member of the church in which he stated:
"The attempts, including
Nibley's, to explain away and dodge the trap into which Joseph Smith fell when
he had the audacity to translate the
"My views are not for publication or spreading abroad. I am like you--maintaining membership because of the many fine things the Church offers. But facts speak for themselves. I offered the data available to my Stake Pres. recently and he walked away without it--saying he didn't want to read it. They can hardly excommunicate [sic] us when they won't look at the evidence.
"Of course the dodge as to the Book of Abraham must be: 'WE DON'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPT FROM WHICH THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM WAS TRANSLATED. I conclude that we do have it and have translations of it." (Letter by Thomas Stuart Ferguson, dated March 13, 1971)
The first indication we had that
Mr. Ferguson was losing his faith in Mormonism was just after Joseph Smith's
Egyptian Papyri were rediscovered. In 1968 he wrote us a letter saying that we
were "doing a great thing--getting out some truth on the Book of
Abraham." This was a significant statement since we were presenting
evidence that the Book of Abraham was not a correct translation of the papyri.
Later we heard a rumor that he had given up Joseph Smith's Book of Abraham, but
this hardly prepared us for his visit on December 2, 1970. At that time, Mr.
Ferguson told us frankly that he had not only given up the Book of Abraham, but
that he had come to the conclusion that Joseph Smith was not a prophet and that
Mormonism was not true.
…
…A few months after Thomas Stuart Ferguson revealed to us that he had come to the conclusion that the Book of Mormon was a spurious production, he wrote us a letter in which he said: "I think I will be in SLC in June--and if so, I'll call on you again. I enjoyed my visit with you.... I certainly admire you for the battle you are waging--virtually single handed." (Letter dated March 13, 1971) On a number of occasions when people wrote to him, Mr. Ferguson recommended that they read our publications on Mormonism.
Unfortunately, Thomas Stewart Ferguson seems to have had a very difficult time communicating his loss of faith to those he was close to. He told us, for instance, that he did not dare tell one of his sons the truth about the Book of Mormon because the shock would cause him too much emotional trauma. He felt that he may have to put the matter off until the situation changed. While he no longer believed in the divine authenticity of the Book of Mormon, he continued to attend the Mormon Church.
… In a letter to James Still,
dated Dec. 3, 1979, Mr. Ferguson frankly stated: "I lost faith in Joseph
Smith as one having a pipeline to deity--and have decided that there has never
been a pipeline to deity--with any man." Since he had many friends and
members of his family in Mormonism and apparently felt comfortable there, he
decided to remain in the church. In the same letter
Even before our meeting with Mr.
Ferguson in 1970, some Mormon scholars were beginning to face the truth with
regard to Book of Mormon archaeology. Dee F. Green, who had worked with
…'The first myth we need to
eliminate is that Book of Mormon archaeology exists. Titles on books full of
archaeological half-truths, dilettanti on the peripheries of American
archaeology calling themselves Book of Mormon archaeologists regardless of
their education, and a Department of Archaeology at BYU devoted to the
production of Book of Mormon archaeologists do not insure that Book of Mormon
archaeology really exists. If one is to study Book of Mormon archaeology, then
one must have a corpus of data with which to deal. We do not. The Book of
Mormon is really there so one can have Book of Mormon studies, and archaeology
is really there so one can study archaeology, but the two are not wed. At least
they are not wed in reality since no Book of Mormon
location is known with reference to modern topography. Biblical archaeology can
be studied because we do know where
In 1975 Thomas Stuart Ferguson
finally mustered up his courage and prepared a 29-page paper in response to
papers written by Mormon apologists John Sorenson and Garth Norman. It was
entitled, Written Symposium on Book-of-Mormon Geography: Response of Thomas S.
Ferguson to the Norman & Sorenson Papers. In this response, p. 4, Mr.
Ferguson wrote: 'With all of these great efforts, it cannot be established
factually that anyone, from Joseph Smith to the present day, has put his finger
on a single point of terrain that was a Book-of-Mormon geographical place. And
the hemisphere has been pretty well checked out by competent people. Thousands
of sites have been excavated."
In a letter to Mr. & Mrs. H. W. Lawrence, dated Feb. 20, 1976, Thomas Stuart Ferguson made very plain the reason why there is "no Book-of-Mormon geography":
"Herewith is a copy of my recent (1975) paper on Book of Mormon matters.... It was one of several presented in a written symposium on Book of Mormon geography [sic]. (My thesis is that Book of Mormon geography involves a lot more than playing with topography and terrain.) The real implication of the paper is that you can't set Book of Mormon geography down anywhere--because it is fictional and will never meet the requirements of the dirt-archeology. I should say --what is in the ground will never conform to what is in the book."
Although he had written a paper criticizing Book of Mormon archaeology, Thomas Stuart Ferguson felt that it was generally best for those who doubted the faith to keep their "mouth shut." In a letter written Feb. 9, 1976, he gave this advice:
"...Mormonism is probably the best conceived myth-fraternity to which one can belong... Joseph Smith tried so hard he put himself out on a limb with the Book of Abraham, and also with the Book of Mormon. He can be refuted--but why bother... It would be like wiping out placebos in medicine, and that would make no sense when they do lots of good....
"Why not say the right things and keep your membership in the great fraternity, enjoying the good things you like and discarding the ones you can't swallow (and keeping your mouth shut)? Hypocritical? Maybe.... thousands of members have done, and are doing, what I suggest you consider doing. Silence is golden--etc.... So why try to be heroic and fight the myths--the Mormon one or any other that does more good than ill?
"Perhaps you and I have been spoofed by Joseph Smith. Now that we have the inside dope--why not spoof a little back and stay aboard? Please consider this letter confidential--for obvious reasons. I want to stay aboard the good ship, Mormonism --for various reasons that I think valid. First, several of my dearly loved family members want desperately to believe and do believe it and they each need it. It does them far more good than harm. Belonging, with my eyes wide open is actually fun, less expensive than formerly, and no strain at all.... I never get up and bear testimony... You might give my suggestions a trial run --and if you find you have to burn all the bridges between yourselves and the Church, then go ahead and ask for excommunication. (The day will probably come -- but it is far off--when the leadership of the Church will change the excommunication rules and delete as grounds non-belief in the 2 books mentioned and in Joseph Smith as a prophet etc... but if you wait for that day, you probably will have died. It is a long way off-- tithing would drop too much for one thing.... "
[Note: The original editor of
this section of ‘Mormonthink’ has declared to his current bishop that he does
not believe the Book of Mormon, the Book of Abraham or that Joseph Smith was a
prophet and has not been subjected to disciplinary council or excommunication
proceedings and is, in fact, assisting in the Primary organization in his
ward. It would appear that
…Thomas Stuart Ferguson's One Fold
and One Shepherd, contained a long list of "cultural elements common to
both Bible lands and
…Whatever the case may be, we cannot help but sympathize with men like Thomas Stuart Ferguson and B. H. Roberts (see Mormonism -- Shadow or Reality, pp. 96D-96G) who labored for many years to prove the Book of Mormon true and then found out that their faith was based on erroneous assumptions. It would have been very difficult for these men to have made a public statement repudiating the Book of Mormon. They would have been considered traitors to the church who allowed themselves to come under the power of the Devil. Nevertheless, when we consider the consequences of remaining silent, we cannot help but feel that both these men made a drastic mistake when they failed to stand up for the truth.
…In 1973, Michael Coe, one of the
best known authorities on archaeology of the
"Mormon archaeologists over
the years have almost unanimously accepted the Book of Mormon as an accurate,
historical account of the
"The bare facts of the matter
are that nothing, absolutely nothing, has even shown up in any
http://www.lds-mormon.com/bomquest.shtml#BOM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology_and_the_Book_of_Mormon
http://www.irr.org/mit/bomarch1.html
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/smithsonianletter2.htm
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/smithsonianletter.htm
http://twincentral.com/site/pages/articles/doctrines/alt/LDS/stevebenson.htm
http://www.lds-mormon.com/ferg.shtml
The Book of Mormon is not supported by any linguistic evidence.
The Book of
Mormon is further undermined by the fact that there is no evidence of a
Semitic/hieroglyphic/demotic hybrid script (called Reformed Egyptian in the
text) or a spoken Hebrew dialect ever being used by pre or post-Columbian
natives of North or
This proliferation of language variants among existing Native tribes undermines the Book of Mormon claim of a single language used for the entire Book of Mormon people. Language does evolve; but not at such an unprecedented rate as to leave such a scattering of textual and vocal variants (all with no resemblance to the Book of Mormon ‘mother tongue’) within such a short period of time (less than 2000 years from the end of the Book of Mormon narrative to the present).
In fact, the
text of the Book of Mormon indicates that the peoples within the narrative took
great care to preserve their language from evolving or fracturing into
different dialects. In 1st
Nephi, Nephi is commanded to get the brass plates from
How then do
we account for the thousands of languages that were spoken in North and
How can a civilization on the scale described in the Book of Mormon maintain linguistic homogeneity for 1000 years and then splinter into thousands of varying and demonstrably unrelated languages in the next 1000 years?
Due to the physical absence of the gold plates, there is no body of Ancient American evidence with which to compare Joseph Smith’s claim that Ancient Americans used a Hebrew/Egyptian hybrid language. The only evidence in existence is the ‘Anthon Transcript’ which (according to Smith and his associates) was taken to Professor Charles Anthon for a certificate of authenticity. For more information regarding this episode see ‘The Anthon Visit’ below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformed_Egyptian
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/smithsonianletter2.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_languages_of_the_Americas
Hill Cumorah has no evidence of battles as stated in BOM.
Joseph Smith claimed that an angel directed him to a local hill (later named Cumorah) where there was a “…book deposited, written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this [American] continent, and the source from whence they sprang. He [the angel] also said that the fullness of the everlasting Gospel was contained in it, as delivered by the Savior to the ancient inhabitants; Also, that there were two stones in silver bows—and these stones, fastened to a breastplate, constituted what is called the Urim and Thummim—deposited with the plates…” The book of Mormon identifies the Hill Cumorah as the location for two cataclysmic battles between warring civilizations resulting in over two million casualties (Mormon 6, Ether 15:11, Ether 15:2).
Early and current LDS leaders have repeatedly identified the hill mentioned in the Book of Mormon as the same Hill Cumorah from which Joseph Smith retrieved the gold plates in Upstate New York.
"The great and last battle, in
which several hundred thousand Nephites perished was on the hill Cumorah, the
same hill from which the plates were taken by Joseph Smith, the boy about whom
I spoke to you the other evening." (Talk
given by Apostle Orson Pratt, Feb. 11, 1872 Journal of Discourses Vol. 14, pg.
331)
"Thirty-six years prior to
this time his nation was destroyed in what we term the State of
"Finally, they became so
utterly wicked, so fully ripened for destruction, that one branch of the
nation, called the Nephites, gathered their entire people around the hill
Cumorah, in the State of
"The hill, which was known by
one division of the ancient peoples as Cumorah, by another as Ramah, is
situated near
"It is known that the Hill Cumorah where the Nephites were destroyed is the hill where the Jaredites were also destroyed. This hill was known to the Jaredites as Rama. It was approximately near to the waters of Ripliancum, which the Book of Ether says, "by interpretation, is large, or to exceed all." Mormon adds: "And it came to pass that we did march forth to the land of Cumorah, and we did pitch our tents round about the hill Cumorah; and it was in a land of many waters, rivers, and fountains; and here we had hope to gain advantage over the Lamanites."
"It must be conceded that
this description fits perfectly the
"In the western part of the state of
[Note: About 20 paragraphs later this speaker says the following]
"This second civilization to
which I refer, the Nephites , flourished in
"Both the Nephite and
Jaredite civilizations fought their final great wars of extinction at and near
the Hill Cumorah (or Ramah as the Jaredites termed it), which hill is located
between
"Joseph Smith, Oliver Cowdery
and many of the early brethren, who were familiar with all the circumstances
attending the coming forth of the Book of Mormon in this dispensation, have
left us a pointed testimony as to the identity and location of Cumorah or
Ramah."(Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon
Doctrine, page 174-175, Bookcraft 1966)
"This time it will have to do with so important a matter as a war of extinction of two peoples, the Nephites and the Jaredites, on the self same battle site, with the same 'hill' marking the axis of military movements. By the Nephites this 'hill' was called the 'Hill Cumorah,' by the Jaredites the 'Hill Ramah'; it was that same 'hill,' in which the Nephite records were deposited by Mormon and Moroni, and from which Joseph Smith obtained the Book of Mormon, therefore the 'Mormon Hill,' of today—since the coming forth of the Book of Mormon—near Palmyra, New York. (B.H. Roberts, Studies of the Book of Mormon, p.277)
AS recently as 1990, the First Presidency of the LDS church has affirmed that the Hill Cumorah is, in fact, in Upstate New York. (See image below)

Additionally, several nominal and prominent early church members indicated that not only were the gold plates (from which the Book of Mormon was purportedly translated) buried at the Hill Cumorah, but that there was an entire cave of records and artifacts inside the hill itself. Here are a few select quotes to illustrate this incredible claim:
“I lived right in the country where the plates were found from which the Book of Mormon was translated, and I know a great many things pertaining to that country. I believe I will take the liberty to tell you of another circumstance that will be as marvelous as anything can be. This is an incident in the life of Oliver Cowdery, but he did not take the liberty of telling such things in meeting as I take. I tell these things to you, and I have a motive for doing so. I want to carry them to the ears of my brethren and sisters and to the children also, that they may grow to an understanding of some things that seem to be entirely hidden from the human family. Oliver Cowdery went with the Prophet Joseph when he deposited these plates. Joseph did not translate all of the plates; there was a portion of them sealed, which you can learn from the Book of Doctrine and Covenants. When Joseph got the plates, the angel instructed him to carry them back to the hill Cumorah, which he did. Oliver says that when Joseph and Oliver went there, the hill opened, and they walked into a cave, in which there was a large and spacious room. He says he did not think, at the time, whether they had the light of the sun or artificial light; but that it was just as light as day. They laid the plates on a table; it was a large table that stood in the room. Under this table there was a pile of plates as much as two feet high, and there were altogether in this room more plates than probably many wagon loads; they were piled up in the corners and along the walls.” (Brigham Young Journal of Discourses, Vol. 19:38)
“Attended meeting a discourse from W. W. Phelps. He related a story told him by Hyrum Smith which was as follows: Joseph, Hyrum, Cowdery & Whitmere went to the hill Cormorah. As they were walking up the hill, a door opened and they walked into a room about 16 ft square. In that room was an angel and a trunk. On that trunk lay a book of Mormon & gold plates, Laban's sword, Aaron's brestplate.” (William Horne Dame Diary, 14 January 1855)
“In response to a Brother Mills's statement about the handcart pioneers, Heber C. Kimball said: How does it compare with the vision that Joseph and others had, when they went into a cave in the hill Cumorah, and saw more records than ten men could carry? There were books piled up on tables, book upon book. Those records this people will yet have, if they accept of the Book of Mormon and observe its precepts, and keep the commandments.” (Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, 28 September 1856)
“President [Heber C.] Kimball talked familiarly to the brethren about Father Smith, [Oliver] Cowdery, and others walking into the hill Cumorah and seeing records upon records piled upon table[s,] they walked from cell to cell and saw the records that were piled up…” (Manuscript History of Brigham Young, 5 May 1867)
“President Young said in relation to Joseph Smith returning the Plates of the Book of Mormon that He did not return them to the box from wh[ence?] He had received [them]. But He went [into] a Cave in the Hill Comoro with Oliver Cowdry & deposited those plates upon a table or shelf. In that room were deposited a large amount of gold plates Containing sacred records & when they first visited that Room the sword of Laban was Hanging upon the wall & when they last visited it the sword was drawn from the scabbard and [laid?] upon a table and a Messenger who was the keeper of the room informed them that that sword would never be returned to its scabbard until the Kingdom of God was established upon the Earth & until it reigned triumphant over Every Enemy. Joseph Smith said that Cave contained tons of Choice Treasures & records.” (Wilford Woodruff Journal, 11 December 1869)
Although not a member of the
church, Elizabeth Kane lived in
“asked where the plates were now,
and saw in a moment from the expression of the countenances around that I had
blundered. But I was answered that they were in a cave; that Oliver Cowdery though
now an apostate would not deny that he had seen them. He had been to the cave.
. . . Brigham Young's tone was so solemn that I listened bewildered like a
child to the evening witch stories of its nurse…
Brigham Young said that when Oliver Cowdery and Joseph Smith were in the cave this third time, they could see its contents more distinctly than before. . . . It was about fifteen feet high and round its sides were ranged boxes of treasure. In the centre was a large stone table empty before, but now piled with similar gold plates, some of which lay scattered on the floor beneath. Formerly the sword of Laban hung on the walls sheathed, but it was now unsheathed and lying across the plates on the table; and One that was with them said it was never to be sheathed until the reign of Righteousness upon the earth.” (Elizabeth Kane Journal, 15 January 1873)
A southern Utah Saint, Jesse
Nathaniel Smith, heard Brigham Young speak in
“ heard him [Brigham Young] at an
evening meeting in
“It was likewise stated to me by
David Whitmer in the year 1877 that Oliver Cowdery told him that the Prophet
Joseph and himself had seen this room and that it was filled with treasure, and
on a table therein were the breastplate and the sword of Laban, as well as the
portion of gold plates not yet translated, and that these plates were bound by
three small gold rings, and would also be translated, as was the first portion
in the days of Joseph. When they are translated much useful information will be
brought to light. But till that day arrives, no
In an interview with P. Wilhelm Poulson, David Whitmer gave another account of the cave:
[Poulson]: Where are the plates
now?
[Whitmer]: In a cave, where the angel has hidden them up till the time arrives
when the plates, which are sealed, shall be translated. God will yet raise up a
mighty one, who shall do his work till it is finished and Jesus comes again.
[Poulson]: Where is that cave?
[Whitmer]: In the State of
[Poulson]: In the Hill of Comorah?
[Whitmer]: No, but not far away from that place.
(David Whitmer, Deseret Evening News, 16 August 1878)
“But the grand repository of all
the numerous records of the ancient nations of the western continent, was
located in another department of the hill, and its contents put under the
charge of holy angels, until the day should come for them to be transferred to
the sacred